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		<title>By: Nuffnang Vs Advertlets At Its Ugliest Battle at TenthOfMarch.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nuffnang Vs Advertlets At Its Ugliest Battle at TenthOfMarch.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Jun 2007 06:38:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] a comment attacking Nuffnang that I have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: TenthOfMarch Reviews Nuffnang From The Inside (Part Two) at TenthOfMarch.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>TenthOfMarch Reviews Nuffnang From The Inside (Part Two) at TenthOfMarch.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Apr 2007 21:45:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] two is finally ready! In the first part of my review on Nuffnang from the inside, I mentioned that I found bugs in their system. On the next day, I immediately fired up an e-mail [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Josh Lim</title>
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		<dc:creator>Josh Lim</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 07:04:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Ming,

Actually, our CTR for the poll is not 1-3 percent. Where did you get that figure from?

The highest on our network currently (percentage wise) is about 16.89%, (302 impressions, 51 submissions) the lowest about 0.2% (491 impressions, 1 submission). It really depends where the bloggers put the poll, and whether you invite visitors to take it. Generally, the higher the better, and the more you tell people to, the more responses there are. After all, they are there to read what the blogger has to say.

In terms of poll submissions, just so you know also, Joyce of www.xanga.com/kinkybluefairy has 977 poll submissions so far. Ringo of Cheeserland.com has 309 poll submissions so far. Big enough a sample for you? :) 

Across the whole network, 20,656 questions have been answered. Assuming it takes 5 seconds to answer one question on average (one poll has about 4-6 questions in general), a total of 28 hours worth of opinions have been collected to date.

Ming, I&#039;m glad you like our poll, and that you find it interesting. For a small stake in Nuffnang Sdn Bhd (just 51% will do, I&#039;m not greedy), I&#039;ll gladly license you the integrated poll unit technology! 

Contact me at josh.lim@adv..ohwell, you know where to reach me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Ming,</p>
<p>Actually, our CTR for the poll is not 1-3 percent. Where did you get that figure from?</p>
<p>The highest on our network currently (percentage wise) is about 16.89%, (302 impressions, 51 submissions) the lowest about 0.2% (491 impressions, 1 submission). It really depends where the bloggers put the poll, and whether you invite visitors to take it. Generally, the higher the better, and the more you tell people to, the more responses there are. After all, they are there to read what the blogger has to say.</p>
<p>In terms of poll submissions, just so you know also, Joyce of <a href="http://www.xanga.com/kinkybluefairy" rel="nofollow">http://www.xanga.com/kinkybluefairy</a> has 977 poll submissions so far. Ringo of Cheeserland.com has 309 poll submissions so far. Big enough a sample for you? <img src='http://www.tenthofmarch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  </p>
<p>Across the whole network, 20,656 questions have been answered. Assuming it takes 5 seconds to answer one question on average (one poll has about 4-6 questions in general), a total of 28 hours worth of opinions have been collected to date.</p>
<p>Ming, I&#8217;m glad you like our poll, and that you find it interesting. For a small stake in Nuffnang Sdn Bhd (just 51% will do, I&#8217;m not greedy), I&#8217;ll gladly license you the integrated poll unit technology! </p>
<p>Contact me at josh.lim@adv..ohwell, you know where to reach me.</p>
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		<title>By: TenthOfMarch</title>
		<link>http://www.tenthofmarch.com/2007/04/03/tenthofmarch-reviews-nuffnang-from-the-inside-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-88</link>
		<dc:creator>TenthOfMarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Apr 2007 03:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Devils&lt;strike&gt;Advertlets&lt;/strike&gt;Advocate&lt;/strong&gt;
I don&#039;t put my name on my blog because I don&#039;t want to, and I don&#039;t need to. Even though my real name doesn&#039;t appear in my blog, I am fully responsible for everything that I write. I take precautions to report the whole truth, and to make sure I do not go overboard. That is why sometimes I take hours to write a single post. I need to make sure it&#039;s appealing, interesting, and contains full facts.

If any of my readers, or the people that I write in my blog has any views, comments or even complaints, they can always &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tenthofmarch.com/contact/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;contact me&lt;/a&gt;, or leave a comment and I WILL get back to them.

However, what you did (leaving a harsh remark on Nuffnang) without leaving proper identification is equal to sending a &#039;surat layang&#039;. Your email will not be displayed in my blog, neither will I ever disclose it (unless required by the law or whatever -- that time everybody must).

Therefore, I agree that everyone has their rights to reserve their anonymity. However, what you did is unacceptable. Period.

Oh yeah, a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.tenthofmarch.com/2007/04/05/tenthofmarch-posts-first-video-on-nuffnang-and-advertlets/&quot; target=&quot;_blank&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;little present&lt;/a&gt; for you.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Devils<strike>Advertlets</strike>Advocate</strong><br />
I don&#8217;t put my name on my blog because I don&#8217;t want to, and I don&#8217;t need to. Even though my real name doesn&#8217;t appear in my blog, I am fully responsible for everything that I write. I take precautions to report the whole truth, and to make sure I do not go overboard. That is why sometimes I take hours to write a single post. I need to make sure it&#8217;s appealing, interesting, and contains full facts.</p>
<p>If any of my readers, or the people that I write in my blog has any views, comments or even complaints, they can always <a href="http://www.tenthofmarch.com/contact/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">contact me</a>, or leave a comment and I WILL get back to them.</p>
<p>However, what you did (leaving a harsh remark on Nuffnang) without leaving proper identification is equal to sending a &#8217;surat layang&#8217;. Your email will not be displayed in my blog, neither will I ever disclose it (unless required by the law or whatever &#8212; that time everybody must).</p>
<p>Therefore, I agree that everyone has their rights to reserve their anonymity. However, what you did is unacceptable. Period.</p>
<p>Oh yeah, a <a href="http://www.tenthofmarch.com/2007/04/05/tenthofmarch-posts-first-video-on-nuffnang-and-advertlets/" target="_blank" rel="nofollow">little present</a> for you.</p>
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		<title>By: DevilsAdvocate</title>
		<link>http://www.tenthofmarch.com/2007/04/03/tenthofmarch-reviews-nuffnang-from-the-inside-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-87</link>
		<dc:creator>DevilsAdvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 06:17:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, Now you have my e-mail. I&#039;ve included it in this post, but I would prefer you not mention it. You see, like you, I like to have some degree of anonymity, for example you don&#039;t put your real name on your blog too :)

Actually, what you mentioned about the IPs says nothing...it just means that me and Josh are using the same ISP (shock horror - TMNet!!), or we might both be from PJ.

Try accessing this URLs:
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=124.82.81.160
http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&amp;q=124.82&amp;btnG=Google Search&amp;meta=

If I&#039;m not mistaken, all 124.82.X.X IPs resolve to TMNet.
If it were (124.82.198.X) &amp; (124.82.198.X 1) then that might probably mean something, like we&#039;re walking distance from each other or at the next table or something. 

Nope, I&#039;m not from Advertlets, I&#039;m just a poor IT student with an opinion. And I&#039;m quiet, mysterious and hardworking too. Hehe! Hope this is enough for an &quot;explanation&quot;? Feel free to contact me if you need more.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, Now you have my e-mail. I&#8217;ve included it in this post, but I would prefer you not mention it. You see, like you, I like to have some degree of anonymity, for example you don&#8217;t put your real name on your blog too <img src='http://www.tenthofmarch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Actually, what you mentioned about the IPs says nothing&#8230;it just means that me and Josh are using the same ISP (shock horror &#8211; TMNet!!), or we might both be from PJ.</p>
<p>Try accessing this URLs:<br />
<a href="http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=124.82.81.160" rel="nofollow">http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/whois.ch?ip=124.82.81.160</a><br />
<a href="http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&amp;q=124.82&amp;btnG=Google" rel="nofollow">http://www.google.com.my/search?hl=en&amp;q=124.82&amp;btnG=Google</a> Search&amp;meta=</p>
<p>If I&#8217;m not mistaken, all 124.82.X.X IPs resolve to TMNet.<br />
If it were (124.82.198.X) &amp; (124.82.198.X 1) then that might probably mean something, like we&#8217;re walking distance from each other or at the next table or something. </p>
<p>Nope, I&#8217;m not from Advertlets, I&#8217;m just a poor IT student with an opinion. And I&#8217;m quiet, mysterious and hardworking too. Hehe! Hope this is enough for an &#8220;explanation&#8221;? Feel free to contact me if you need more.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Tiah</title>
		<link>http://www.tenthofmarch.com/2007/04/03/tenthofmarch-reviews-nuffnang-from-the-inside-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-86</link>
		<dc:creator>Timothy Tiah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Apr 2007 01:39:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi TenthofMarch,

As usual you have given us valuable feedback. I would love to answer whatever questions on Nuffnang. Feel free to drop me an e-mail at timothy [at] nuffnang [dot ] com.

Once again, thank you for taking the time to weed out our weaknesses. Without people like you, we will never improve.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi TenthofMarch,</p>
<p>As usual you have given us valuable feedback. I would love to answer whatever questions on Nuffnang. Feel free to drop me an e-mail at timothy [at] nuffnang [dot ] com.</p>
<p>Once again, thank you for taking the time to weed out our weaknesses. Without people like you, we will never improve.</p>
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		<title>By: TenthOfMarch</title>
		<link>http://www.tenthofmarch.com/2007/04/03/tenthofmarch-reviews-nuffnang-from-the-inside-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-83</link>
		<dc:creator>TenthOfMarch</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 20:00:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;strong&gt;@Mossie`Ol Chin&lt;/strong&gt;
I planned to start writing the part 2 tonight but I&#039;m having a headache now due to lack of sleep. I slept at 5am yesterday writing that post. Didn&#039;t expected blogging would be this tough :-( .

&lt;strong&gt;@DevilsAdvocate&lt;/strong&gt;
I&#039;m glad you enjoyed the joke. Sometimes I like to spice things up by putting some jokes in my blog. It may or may not sound offensive, but I hope the receiving party/parties don&#039;t get offended.

As for the attack on Nuffnang in the first part of your comment....

I have removed it. Should have done it earlier. I can&#039;t help it but to think that you MUST be someone from Advertlets, or at least somehow associated with them. The email you provided doesn&#039;t exist (I should have checked earlier -- my fault). Most importantly, your IP is almost identical with Josh&#039;s last IP (124.82.&lt;strong&gt;X&lt;/strong&gt;.198) &amp; (124.82.&lt;strong&gt;X+1&lt;/strong&gt;.84).

I hate it when people stab someone from the back. I hate it when people do it yet don&#039;t have the balls to admit it. I especially hate it when people mess with me.

However, if you really are not someone from Advertlets, contact me with your email. I believe everyone has the rights to voice out what they feel. But you should have used your real email address. Whatever it is, I still want to hear from you and listen to your explaination.

&lt;strong&gt;@Ming&lt;/strong&gt;
I appreciate you giving your time reading and commenting on my post. 

I understand your point. I agree that Advertlet&#039;s polls do not represent the whole population of a blog&#039;s readers. They only cover those that actually answered the polls. I guess there&#039;s really nothing much you can do about the majority that keeps silent in the background who only wants to read and not participate.

Anyway, so far I think you guys have done a GREAT job with Nuffnang. No one and nothing is perfect. There&#039;s always room for improvements. I&#039;m still waiting for my ads to appear, but that would be another week or so :-( .

Actually, I have some questions to ask regarding Nuffnang&#039;s earnings and stuffs...but that would reveal details on the part 2 of my review. Maybe you guys can answer them later.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>@Mossie`Ol Chin</strong><br />
I planned to start writing the part 2 tonight but I&#8217;m having a headache now due to lack of sleep. I slept at 5am yesterday writing that post. Didn&#8217;t expected blogging would be this tough <img src='http://www.tenthofmarch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p><strong>@DevilsAdvocate</strong><br />
I&#8217;m glad you enjoyed the joke. Sometimes I like to spice things up by putting some jokes in my blog. It may or may not sound offensive, but I hope the receiving party/parties don&#8217;t get offended.</p>
<p>As for the attack on Nuffnang in the first part of your comment&#8230;.</p>
<p>I have removed it. Should have done it earlier. I can&#8217;t help it but to think that you MUST be someone from Advertlets, or at least somehow associated with them. The email you provided doesn&#8217;t exist (I should have checked earlier &#8212; my fault). Most importantly, your IP is almost identical with Josh&#8217;s last IP (124.82.<strong>X</strong>.198) &#038; (124.82.<strong>X+1</strong>.84).</p>
<p>I hate it when people stab someone from the back. I hate it when people do it yet don&#8217;t have the balls to admit it. I especially hate it when people mess with me.</p>
<p>However, if you really are not someone from Advertlets, contact me with your email. I believe everyone has the rights to voice out what they feel. But you should have used your real email address. Whatever it is, I still want to hear from you and listen to your explaination.</p>
<p><strong>@Ming</strong><br />
I appreciate you giving your time reading and commenting on my post. </p>
<p>I understand your point. I agree that Advertlet&#8217;s polls do not represent the whole population of a blog&#8217;s readers. They only cover those that actually answered the polls. I guess there&#8217;s really nothing much you can do about the majority that keeps silent in the background who only wants to read and not participate.</p>
<p>Anyway, so far I think you guys have done a GREAT job with Nuffnang. No one and nothing is perfect. There&#8217;s always room for improvements. I&#8217;m still waiting for my ads to appear, but that would be another week or so <img src='http://www.tenthofmarch.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' />  .</p>
<p>Actually, I have some questions to ask regarding Nuffnang&#8217;s earnings and stuffs&#8230;but that would reveal details on the part 2 of my review. Maybe you guys can answer them later.</p>
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		<title>By: Ming</title>
		<link>http://www.tenthofmarch.com/2007/04/03/tenthofmarch-reviews-nuffnang-from-the-inside-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-82</link>
		<dc:creator>Ming</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 07:38:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi there, 

       It&#039;s Ming from the Nuffnang network. Just to clarify. We have three layers of information gathering, so we can target effectively. 

       These are the blogger registration form, the 20 question survey and the detailed statcounter (which gives us much more information than we present to the blogger). 

        From all these three avenues, we gather and organize the information through our backend systems to target a blog and its readers effectively. 

        A large proportion of our bloggers know who their readers are. Since we accept bloggers with as little as 20 unique visits, many of our bloggers know in fact EXACTLY who is reading their blog. Probably their family and friends. 

       For the bigger bloggers, like kennysia for example. They maintain very close contact with many of their readers, having hundreds of comments and emails a week. When they sell their advertisments on personally, it is this information they use. Maintaining close relationships with your blog readers and interacting with them is necessary to ensure you maintain influence.

      Just like you and me are doing now! Hey I&#039;m ming! Nice to meet you! 

      We have dealt with a number of global brands, and are currently negotiating with them. They are confident our approach is sound. 

      If you imagine a CTR of 1-3 percent for an ad unit as Josh has previously stated, thats not a very big sample for poll data anyway. Having said that, we must admit, his integrated poll unit is an interesting feature that could help bloggers better understand who their readers are. 

     Many roads lead to rome. Our main one is the one we have built. In the near future, who knows what other ones we will construct to make our community stronger?

Best,
Ming</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, </p>
<p>       It&#8217;s Ming from the Nuffnang network. Just to clarify. We have three layers of information gathering, so we can target effectively. </p>
<p>       These are the blogger registration form, the 20 question survey and the detailed statcounter (which gives us much more information than we present to the blogger). </p>
<p>        From all these three avenues, we gather and organize the information through our backend systems to target a blog and its readers effectively. </p>
<p>        A large proportion of our bloggers know who their readers are. Since we accept bloggers with as little as 20 unique visits, many of our bloggers know in fact EXACTLY who is reading their blog. Probably their family and friends. </p>
<p>       For the bigger bloggers, like kennysia for example. They maintain very close contact with many of their readers, having hundreds of comments and emails a week. When they sell their advertisments on personally, it is this information they use. Maintaining close relationships with your blog readers and interacting with them is necessary to ensure you maintain influence.</p>
<p>      Just like you and me are doing now! Hey I&#8217;m ming! Nice to meet you! </p>
<p>      We have dealt with a number of global brands, and are currently negotiating with them. They are confident our approach is sound. </p>
<p>      If you imagine a CTR of 1-3 percent for an ad unit as Josh has previously stated, thats not a very big sample for poll data anyway. Having said that, we must admit, his integrated poll unit is an interesting feature that could help bloggers better understand who their readers are. </p>
<p>     Many roads lead to rome. Our main one is the one we have built. In the near future, who knows what other ones we will construct to make our community stronger?</p>
<p>Best,<br />
Ming</p>
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		<title>By: DevilsAdvocate</title>
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		<dc:creator>DevilsAdvocate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 06:02:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[edited: TenthOfMarch removed this part due to false criticism]

This sentence is hilarious: &quot;I felt like throwing one of the Nuffnang guys down the Penang bridge already&quot;. So if you get frustrated with Advertlets, then how? Throw down the Klang river? KL Tower?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[edited: TenthOfMarch removed this part due to false criticism]</p>
<p>This sentence is hilarious: &#8220;I felt like throwing one of the Nuffnang guys down the Penang bridge already&#8221;. So if you get frustrated with Advertlets, then how? Throw down the Klang river? KL Tower?</p>
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		<title>By: Mossie`Ol Chin</title>
		<link>http://www.tenthofmarch.com/2007/04/03/tenthofmarch-reviews-nuffnang-from-the-inside-part-one/comment-page-1/#comment-80</link>
		<dc:creator>Mossie`Ol Chin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Apr 2007 01:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>lets wait till part 2 yeah?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>lets wait till part 2 yeah?</p>
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